Yea, better is he than both they which hath not yet been,.... That is, an unborn person; who is preferred both to the dead that have seen oppression, and to the living that are under it; see Job 3:10. …. Ecclesiastes 4:4 Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of … Who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. This supposes a person to be that never was, a mere nonentity; and the judgment made is according to sense, and regards the dead purely as such, and so as free from evils and sorrows, without any respect to their future state and condition; for otherwise an unborn person is not happier than the dead that die in Christ, and live with him: and it can only be true of those that perish, of whom indeed it might be said, that it would have been better for them if they had never been born, according to those words of Christ, Matthew 26:24; and is opposed to the maxim of some philosophers, that a miserable being is better than none at all. Ecclesiastes 3:1-4 NIV - A Time for Everything - There is a time - Bible Gateway. Of covetousness and selfishness, Ecclesiastes 4:7,8. This [is] also vanity and vexation of spirit. Life is certainly a blessing of God, though never so calamitous. 24. 2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. 3.Better’ not yet been — The dead have suffered; the living now suffer. In proof of which the same Jeremiah, in a passage immediately preceding the one just quoted, says: "Sing unto the Lord, praise ye the Lord, for he delivers the soul of the needy from the hand of the evil doers." A Time for Everything - There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a ... A Time for Everything - There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: a time to be born and a time to … 3 But most fortunate of all are those who are not yet born. Parallel with this is the passage (Ecclesiastes 3) where Job, who had no peace nor repose, and who was disturbed ever afresh, wishes for himself the lot of "an hidden untimely birth," and curses the day of his birth, or where in Ecclesiastes 3:20 of the same chapter he asks—"Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life to the bitter in soul?" ). In Ecclesiastes 12:9 he mentions that he set in order many proverbs. Update. Conjunctive waw | Adjective - masculine singular, Preposition-m | Number - mdc | third person masculine plural, Who, which, what, that, when, where, how, because, in order that, Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular, Verb - Nifal - Perfect - third person masculine singular, The sun, the east, a ray, a notched battlement, OT Poetry: Ecclesiastes 4:3 Yes better than them both is him (Ecclesiast. Bible > Ecclesiastes > Chapter 3 > Verse 4 Ecclesiastes 3:4 ... Verse 4. New King James Version grouped the chapter: Ecclesiastes 4:1–3 = The Uselessness of Selfish Toil Ecclesiastes 4:4–8 = The Vanity of Selfish Toil Ecclesiastes 4:9–12 = The Value of a Friend Ecclesiastes 4:13–16 = Popularity Passes Away Retail: $39.99. Religion has in view the danger of sin, and the desire of eternal happiness, Romans vii. There are seasons when those who belong to the kingdom of God must weep, because the Lord hides his face from the house of Israel, ( Isaiah 8:17 ) and there are also times when they can rejoice. Bible Gateway Recommends. A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; Ecclesiastes 2:17 Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit. 3 ... Ecclesiastes 2 Ecclesiastes 4. But these are senses that will not bear; the first is best; and the design is to show the great unhappiness of mortals, that even a nonentity is preferred to them; who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun? And a man may prevail against him who is alone, yet two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. 1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. Ecclesiastes 6:3-5 If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he…, Job 3:10-16 Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes…, Job 10:18,19 Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb? Again, I considered all travail— I observed again all the labour, nay, all the most successful work, that for this, &c. Which hath not yet been; who was never born. 4 And I saw that all toil and all achievement spring from one person’s envy of another. 1:1+12 the author calls himself son of David and king in Jerusalem. Not seen — Not felt: for as seeing good is put for enjoying it, so seeing evil is put for suffering it. Ver. Ecclesiastes 4:3 Yea, better [is he] than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. A time to weep and a time to laugh. suffer. The Uselessness of Selfish Toil - Then I returned and considered all the oppression that is done under the sun: And look! In Ecclesiastes chap. But those that have set their hearts upon earthly things, if ever they lose them, they are filled almost with unmedicineable sorrows; so as they will praise the dead above the living, and wish they had never been born. 17 I said to myself, “God will judge both the righteous and the wicked,” for there is a time [appointed] for every matter and for every deed. not felt; for as seeing good is put for enjoying it, Ecclesiastes 2:24, so seeing evil is put for suffering it, as hath been more than once observed. But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun. is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil. Fred Morency on Ecclesiastes 3:15. Ecclesiastes Saint Jerome, Bible Foundation and On-Line Book Initiative, Ed. 24. Ecclesiastes 3:3-4 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, Read verse in New International Version The advantage of society and friendship, Ecclesiastes 4:9-12. 1 Again I saw all the oppressions that take place under the sun: the tears of the victims with none to comfort * them! Psalm 55:6-11 And I said, Oh that I had wings like a dove! New International Version … Therefore I praised the dead who were already dead, More than the living who are still alive. Oh that I had given up the ghost, and no eye had seen me! NRSV, Thinline Bible, Large Print, Bonded Leather, Black, Comfort Print. Which hath not yet been - Better never to have been born into the world, than to have seen and suffered so many miseries. A Time for Everything. Yet it has many times been expressed, if not felt. But most fortunate of all are those who are not yet born. And I praise the dead who have already died, more than the living who are still alive. For they have not seen all the evil that is done under the sun. 4. 3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, 4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, 5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing, 6 a time to search and a time to give up, 1 Again, I observed all the oppression that takes place under the sun. Such a feeling of human misery is not only natural, but is intended by God "who brings us into circumstances which call it forth. Ecclesiastes 4:3. Dance Dancing Laugh Mourn Skip Sorrow Time Weep Weeping. Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been. 3. Yea, better is he than both they— Nay, I say, he is happier than either, who is not yet come to life, who hath not seen the misery that prevaileth under the sun. Ecclesiastes 3:1-4 5880 humour. Ecclesiastes 3. Yea, better is he than both they.] Ecclesiastes 1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. Font Size. Ecclesiastes 4:4. 2 So I concluded that the dead are better off than the living. "A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up [that which is] planted;" … “They have slept, they have been at rest.” Very wretched must he be to whom cold and dark non-existence seems better than the warm experiences of life and action. Πάντων μὲν μὴ φῦναι ἐπιχθονίοισιν ἄριστον, Φύντα δ ὅπως ὤκιστα πύλας Ἀι'´δαο περῆσαι, "Nam nos decebat, caetus celebrantes, domum. 3 There is a time(A)for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: 2 a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot,(B) 3 a time to kill(C)and a time to heal, בוְשַׁבֵּ֧חַ אֲנִ֛י … Ecclesiastes 4:3. Ecclesiastes 4:3 But better than both is he who has not yet existed, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun. Of envy, sloth, quarrel, Ecclesiastes 4:4-6. Please enter your email address associated with your Salem All-Pass account, then click Continue. Through much tribulation must our hold on earthly things be loosened and ourselves enter into the kingdom of God. CHAPTER 4. (Chalcid. "But better off than both of them is the one who has never existed, who has never seen the evil activity that is done under the sun.". It has been interpreted also of the Messiah, who in Solomon's time had not yet been a man, and never known sorrow, which he was to do, and has, and so more happy than the dead or living. Ecclesiastes 4:9-12. It is better to have no existence than to be in eternal misery, Matthew xxvi. My question is, the first part of the verse is talking about what is, that 's present,now and then God says in the last part of the verse that it has already been. Though one person may be overpowered by … ECCLESIASTES CHAPTER 4. Note, the person who hasn"t been born, has never existed. New International Version (NIV) Bible Book List. Hence, the soul doesn"t have a pre-existence (as taught by Mormonism). Vanity of Toil. 16 Moreover, I have seen under the sun that in the place of justice there is wickedness, and in the place of righteousness there is wickedness. 1 If this life is all there is, then it would be better not to be born, then to experience the pain and suffering that this life has to offer. 9 Two ... Read full chapter. and Theognis.) John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Matthew Poole's English Annotations on the Holy Bible, George Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Unabridged, Ernst Hengstenberg on John, Revelation, Ecclesiastes, Ezekiel & Psalms. From the hand of their oppressors comes violence, and there is none to comfort them! New International Version. But better off than both of them is the one who has never existed, who has never seen the evil activity that is done under the sun. Bible > Ecclesiastes > Chapter 3 > Verse 4 ... Ecclesiastes 3:4 5287 dance 5387 leisure, pastimes 5900 laughter. Yes, better is he than both they, which has not yet been, who has not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. 4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. In regard to such expressions, however, we must remark that so far as they occur in Scripture they contain only one side of the truth. Yea, better is he than both they. Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. The tears of the oppressed, But they have no comforter— On the side of their oppressors there is power, But they have no comforter. Desvoeux. the evil works of oppressors, and the sorrows of the oppressed. 3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? How this is true, see on the foregoing verse. No worldly blessing is a greater one.”— Theognis. The abortion that perishes unborn, as infants which never saw light. Ecclesiastes 3 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) Everything Has Its Time. Not seen, i.e. Ver. “They have slept, they have been at rest.” Very wretched must he be to whom cold and dark non-existence seems better than the warm experiences of life and action. There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens Born. Ec Ecc Eccles. Ecclesiastes 4:4 Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of … for then would I fly away, and be at rest…. … Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of his neighbour. But the affliction of the just procureth glory for them. In verse 16 he speaks of his great wisdom which according to 1 Kings 3:12; 1 Kings 4:2 f; 10:1 only King Solomon had. Only in this way can Jahveh, the true and absolute Being, become to us what he really is. If a man prevails against one who is alone, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done vnder the sunne; & behold the teares … A time to weep and a time to laugh. The oppressors have great power, and their victims are helpless. Yet it has many times been expressed, if not felt. As we begin (chapter 2 verses 1-11), we find that Solomon pursued fulfillment through pleasure (verse 1-2), wine (verse 3), great works (verses 4-6), wealth (verses 7-8), aesthetic and artistic pleasures (verse 8), and fame (verse 9). The heathen could say, Optimum non nasci: proximum mori. --- But they considered only temporal inconveniences. Ecclesiastes 3:4. Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 4903 time 5547 speech, power of. 3. So also when Jeremiah in Jeremiah 20 curses the day of his birth, and in Jeremiah 20:18 complains, "Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame?" a 2 And those now dead, I declared more fortunate in death than are the living to be still alive. To report dead links, typos, or html errors or suggestions about making these resources more useful use the convenient, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. By thoroughly disgusting us with the world, and by making us realize its absolute vanity, God means to draw us to himself. are happier than the living, who are still alive. Jump to Previous. escapes all suffering. saith the prophet: [Lamentations 3:39] and it is as if he should say, Man, if alive, hath some cause of comfort amidst all his miseries; if he may escape though but "with the skin of his teeth," [Job 19:20] and have his life for a prey, he should see matter of thankfulness, and say, "It is the Lord’s mercy that I am not consumed" [Lamentations 3:22] - that I am yet on this side hell. If there is no life beyond this life, then the living have only the prospect of looking forward to seeing and experiencing suffering. These are they whom Solomon in this sentence is by some thought to personate. With increased force of expression the author here says that it is better not to have been born at all than to live. Yet all of these failed to bring a lasting satisfaction to the wisest man of all time. In other words, sometime in the past. Why is living man sorrowful? Ver. 2. Ecclesiastes Chapter 2. Ecclesiastes 5. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind. Ecclesiastes Chapter 3 Discussion Page 4 < Back to Ecclesiastes Chapter 3 Enter New Comment . The vanity of oppression, by reason of which the dead and the unborn are better than the living, Ecclesiastes 4:1-3. Ecclesiastes 4:4 Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of his neighbour. … The abortion that perishes unborn, as infants which never saw light, escapes all suffering. (Worthington) --- The pagan sages observed, that it was "best for mortals not to be born; and if they were, to die very soon." The funeral and the wedding, the hired mourners and the guests at the marriage-feast, are set against one another. I saw the tears of the oppressed, with no one to comfort them. Ecclesiastes 4:3 Yea, better [is he] than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. that is done under the sun. 6 years ago. chapter 1 chapter 2 chapter 3 chapter 4 chapter 5 chapter 6 chapter 7 chapter 8 chapter 9 chapter 10 chapter 11 chapter 12. verse: verse 1 verse 2 verse 3 verse 4 verse 5 verse 6 verse 7 verse 8 verse 9 verse 10 verse 11 verse 12 verse 13 verse 14 verse 15 verse 16. 3 But better than both. 3. - A time to weep, and a time to laugh, grouped naturally with a time to mourn, and a time to dance. Ecclesiastes 3:2; Ecclesiastes 3:4 Read chapter in New International Version. Our Price: $25.99 Save: $14.00 (35%) Buy Now. The Jews, from this passage, endeavour to prove the pre-existence of human souls, and suppose that such an one is here meant, which, though created, was not yet sent into this world in a body, and so had never seen evil and sorrow; and this way some Christian writers have gone. 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