On the sorts of climbs where wed be looping out on the Specialized Levo and Merida eOne-Sixty, we were sitting comfortably on the Sight VLT, with minimal front wheel wandering. So people avoid having You must log in or register to reply here. relates to the overly stiff Deity Skywire 35mm carbon bar. - Brilliant on steep and technical climbs thank you! im about 70kg in weight.. the 630watt battery is superior to my friends 500watt kenevo. Tell me again why external routing is bad? We found no need to shove the saddle forwards on the rails. Theres also a generous 40mm worth of spacers to help dial in the bar height, and we set the stem smack-bang in the middle of that range. This also means my riding ability has been positively impacted because of longer rides and more downhill time. I imagine the Norco frame is heavier but not hugely. Theres notably more big-hit support, and while we found the stock setup to work beautifully, you do have options to tune the volume of both the positive and negative air chambers if needed. Class 2 also offers pedal-assist up to 20 mph, but also has a throttle-powered mode that allows users to engage the motor. The sizing the correct outer length exercise to fit the dropper took over two hours rather than the 10-15 minutes it should take (measure three times/ cut once). Watching some of the local experts at this, namely Wade Simmons and Olympian Andreas Hestler, is inspiring. The battery purchase must be made separately. Overall though the frame details seem to be solid. A Shimano STEPS EP8 motor drives all three. That said, I still found your comments a bit odd as some of your complaints about the Norco could be carried over to any type of ebike. Check out our Trek Rail review for more. The user interface on the Rocky also gets the nod over the Shimano display and controls. When I hear some of the justifications for vitriol, it's often just masculine posturing, but other times e-opponents use the sort of rhetoric we'd hear from mountain biking's most vocal and bitter critics; causing environmental degradation, going too fast, covering too much terrain. Norco offers a 540Wh battery ($749), a 720Wh battery ($999) and an industry-leading 900Wh battery ($1,199). Just because there's a single (or more) bicycle component on some unregulated motorcycles doesn't erase the fact that the pedal power aspect can be easily removed to facilitate it being operated as a motorcycle. Rode the Cube and Merida but neither could compare to the VLT. I have a good sense of how to reel it in on my mountain bikes, but the extra mass of bikes like the Sight VLT changes that equation. gotta love those "holy shit i didn't die" moments. Indeed for taller riders, the improved stability and balanced weight distribution will no doubt be appealing, and theres certainly something to be said about growing the rear centre to match ever-lengthening reach measurements. UK US Free Ship 48V 52V 2000W MTX Wheel E Bike Electric Bicycle Hub Motor Conversion Kit with Colourful Display. battery for e-bies) Further notes. If I imagine myself owning an eMTB, the Sight C1 hits the target quite nicely for me. - Brilliant tyre spec NSMB Home Menu ToggleLog-inSearch Toggle Instagram Twitter Facebook Youtube Subscribe Home Menu Close Gear Bikes Enduro Trail DH / Freeride Fat / Plus Hardtails Slopestyle / DJ / BMX Women's XC eMTB 2023 Norco Sight VLT C2 Only 371km Never stacked 720Wh battery Shimano STEPS EP8 motor $10,699 brand new Medium Carbon frame wrapped in edge techs $500 full protection kit Rockshox Lyric Select 160mm front fork Rockshox Super Deluxe Select 150mm rear shock Sram GX Eagle derailleur Sram SX shifter Shimano BR MT520 4 Piston front brake Simply input your height, weight, skill level and riding position, and out spits the recommended air pressures and damper settings. Its still not as powerful as the Bosch equivalent, and you also get less overrun from the EP8 motor when you have to pause pedalling momentarily to avoid a crank strike. However its says battery can only be removed by dealer, so similar to the Focus Jam. FORK Fox Rhythm FLOAT 36, 160mm Travel, 44mm Offset, E-Rated 03. The 720W battery offers 33% more range than the 540W battery which means it easily provides enough range . To suit Dans riding weight of 80kg, we ended up running 5psi more in the Lyrik (90psi with 2 Tokens) and 10psi more in the Super Deluxe shock (210psi with 3 Tokens). The next step was to remove the battery to get a view of what was going on. Love this bike. Is it the shock linkage and shock length the only difference that is creating the different models. I would have thought the carbon frame would lose quite a bit of weight compared to all the full alloy models. It's not the end of the world, but it's the sort of operation that should be slick for quick and easy execution. eMTB cable routing is a mystery to me but I assumed there were tubes to guide the housing the length of the frame. But if you could have batteries available in different locations then we could travel and pick up a battery when we get there, same as you can rent them for standard shimano batteries at various locations. Pulled the trigger, Sight VLT 29 C2 on the way. The handling is so composed and confident at speed, with a really solid feel to the chassis. My plan is to get an old piece of housing in there, with some bending to get it to reach the proper exit, and then attach the replacement housing and thread it through. Gen 3 VLT E-MTB Features: Three proprietary battery options available (sold separately) Select your ideal capacity from 540Wh ($749), 720Wh ($999), 900Wh ($1199) Proprietary batteries featuring 21700 lithium ion cells; Batteries remove and install in seconds . I did not have to drop the motor to install the dropper (One Up so runs a cable) but the kink between the down tube inner tubing and the "up and over" on the front of the motor required some gorilla gripping as the cable outer definitely does not slide like it should. The more I have access to one of these bikes the more I'm convinced they are simply another fun way to enjoy riding bikes in the forest, and I vastly prefer eMTBs to all the futzing, loading, and retrieving involved in shuttling. This combination results in destroyed trails, injuries (that doesn't matter, they can afford the hospital bills anyways), and justified resentment from other mountain bikers. This failed more than once but eventually enough of the housing was inside and I could push the housing and pull the hose in tiny increments until both emerged from the port. Please, It appears you're using an old version of Internet Explorer which is. Monster-trucking down gnarly, wide-open descents, the Sight VLT is totally in its element. The plug also acts as a barrier from the elements, keeping debris from getting into the cavity and the head of the battery fixing bolt ensuring cleaner battery removal and installation. I put a mrp progressive on my vlt and it lessened bottom outs for me. Theyve been very tight lipped. The angle was too great and the length of the opening meant there was another abrupt corner to manoeuvre. It's seriously time to ask which ebikes serve to "democratize", which are for the outsider trying to buy the greatest/latest/most expensive eMTB as a status symbol, and which are plain unregulated motorcycles with the "ebike" slapped on it that were never designed for mountain bike trail infrastructure. *I just had a promising strategy come to me in fact. If so, is it common that it does? I've got a long way to go, and while being on a new learning curve has been confounding at times, the satisfaction has outweighed the frustration and the Sight has been keen on the task despite its seemingly downhill-focussed demeanour. Obviously the battery is the big problem here. drat R120 Moderator Subscriber Apr 13, 2018 7,814 9,141 Surrey Nov 7, 2018 #9 Of course I'm working my heart and lungs on an eMTB but the impact of my issue isn't generally bad if I can keep my heartrate lower, which is rarely possible climbing under my own power around here if I want to stay with the group. Had a derailleur problem after a stack and replaced the NX with XO. Turning the bike upside down and wearing a headlamp, I could see there was a short gap between the entry/exit port and the internal tubing where the housing needed to cross from one side of the massive down tube to the other in a short distance. The rear Maxxis Dissector isn't one I'd choose, and in situations where high grip was needed, it wasn't up to the task. Good article Cam. I'll either be very cautious or riding around next time. In fairness to cornedbeef I was a bit quick with my judgement on some of your post. Good option for Canadians, not available here in the UK. Despite this I rolled in brimming with confidence in front of Deniz' lens, only to hang up the bike with a hard hit on the motor bulkhead, pitching me forward for a moment. Made from reliable 21700 lithium-ion cells, you can be certain that typical battery degradation will be consistent and slow. It holds its line assuredly through off-camber corners, and even when plummeting down the most brutal rock-filled gullies, we never felt like we were being pushed off-course. Reach measurements are identical, with our size Large test bike clocking in at a vast 485mm (455mm on a Medium). Right now well be diving into our experience of testing the second model from the top the Norco Sight C2 VLT. Norco has alloy Sight VLT models starting at $8,599 AUD, so it is hands-down a far more accessible e-MTB. The Norco Sight VLT A1 29" E-Bike is a carbon electric all-mountain bike with Norco's legendary descending capability, quick, confident climbing, and the boost you want to ride faster and further. Price: $7,499; Weight: 53.6lbs; Website: Norco.com CLICK HERE TO WATCH THE ENDURO ROUNDUP VIDEO CHASSIS Frame: Carbon 27.5, 170mm Travel Fork: RockShox Lyrik Ultimate RC2, 180mm Cheers! It may not display this or other websites correctly. Once I make the adjustment and remember to look for more stable islands of safety to stop and plant a foot, I'm generally okay, but I need to be vigilant. I could imagine getting the Norco myabe just under 20kg without being crazy, wheels, tyres, cassette, cranks, seatpost sundry other items. Aside from going out and deliberately trying to ride the battery flat, we generally found our body and brain wearing out long before the battery died. This things rips! Seeing the prices published and thinking about those of normal Norco MTBs that have excellent quality but are not cheap there I find enough in line if I think of those of the other top brands, indeed, talking about a carbon frame if for example comparing prices with the Specy Levo 2019 we are still something lower but with the best components on the Sight. I'm not sure why the cable for the power button can't go to the right side but I'm sure there is some engineering rationale. The bottom of the line sight vlt could be a great build project to get the lightest weight, with the esteps 7000 and lighter battery, This bike is so hot its already got 3 threads on it. I've now been cohabitating with the 2022 Norco Sight VLT for longer than any eMTB I've tested. Here's a couple questions for you. The Maxxis Assegai DD MaxxTerra up front has been surprisingly durable considering the number of road miles that I've put in getting to and from the mountains. That's good to hear Cam - that the ebike is helping to keep your riding alive with the people you like to be out with. There are 540Wh, 720Wh and 900Wh options, with the latter being the single biggest battery on the market (and also one of the heaviest); Why three options? I began to imagine walking into emergency with my entire arm stuck inside a bicycle. The World's largest electric mountain bike community. Thanks to each of you for the kind words. This MacGyver by Deniz lasted for several rides and was still going strong when I decided to do the repair. You are the first. To help us quantify the limit of its capabilities, we subjected the Sight VLT to our shuttle range test. Looks very tidy though I'm not in the market anyway, This bike went straight to the top of my most wanted list until i saw your comment about non removable battery. I left the bike overnight and had an idea by morning. Quote. Here's a better view. i had a similar near death experience on that rock roll on the marin (the distended downtube hooked the top edge of the rock resulting in a very not welcome forward pitch). The new Norco Sight VLT features improved suspension performance, the excellent Shimano EP8 motor, and the option to fit a whopping 900Wh battery. As it stands, the geometry is very similar between the two bikes, which is understandable given they share the same mainframe and swingarm (a longer fork, shock and a different linkage is what gives the Range VLT its extra travel). And don't even get me started on the incompatibility with the three 1.8" steerer lower bearings/ crown race parts (One from ACROS and two from FSA) that are available but within a framework of a total lack of publicly available information and clear part number labelling. Is it shock size too? ", "I've been riding one of these in the same spec with the 900 battery. Be sure to follow Flow Mountain Bike online and on our social media channels for all the latest bike news, reviews, videos, travel features and more!Website - https://flowmountainbike.comFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/flowmountainbikeInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/flow_mtb The Range VLT, Sight VLT and Fluid VLT platforms have been overhauled for 2022 with new geometry, a new suspension linkage, new motor and new (bigger) batteries. Equipped with a SRAM X01 Eagle drivetrain of 12 gears (1x12). Both were double downs and the front tire is a MaxxGrip and both have been surprisingly durable, particularly considering how many road miles they've seen. I now feel qualified to birth a calf or spay a heifer. The Maxxis Dissector DD MaxxTerra in the rear has also stood up well, but I'd prefer to see a DHR II back there for better grip in varied conditions. Given how hot the mullet trend is in the e-MTB world, this seems like a strange omission on Norcos behalf. One of my favourite elements of riding eMTBs is how it levels the playing field. Those who have both the genetics and the time in their legs to be first tier climbers with excellent stamina don't like to see others do what they can do, and while I sympathize with these feelings, I'm also aware that tying your self image to your ability to gain elevation on your own power, and letting that cloud your judgement, isn't a positive life strategy. A friendly greeting to a couple while passing by resulted me overhearing "..ebike" in a not so friendly way. Check out our Merida eOne-Sixty review for more. The Spinlok plug is comprised of a thru-bolt and nut with an expanding rubber mid-section. - Supple suspension devours rough terrain REAR SHOCK Fox FLOAT X2, Performance Elite Chassis, Custom Factory-Level Spec &. There are some decent gaps there for mud and water to get into, and the main bolt for securing the battery is also in prime position for getting packed full of dirt. The middle-ground 720WH runs $1,300. But it also makes sense to be careful about our conversations and not be consumed by infighting. This sort of considerate feedback keeps the wind in my sails! It's noisier than the Sight and, while better than the previous generation, it doesn't pedal nearly as well without power. I wonder if the ride would be hugely different. Confirmed weight for our Norco Sight C1 VLT test bike is a substantial 25.32kg (without pedals). My comment was made in the context of the entirety of that post tho, particularly the parts about labeling people a certain way. If I could find a length of hose that was small enough to fit through the entry port but large enough for the housing to slide inside, I might have a chance. COLOR: Deep Red/Cherry Red Size: Buy now OR Add to cart I'm not ranting about any particular brand :D, https://si.shimano.com/api/publish/storage/pdf/en/dm/EP800/DM-EP800-03_ENG.pdf. Each model features the Shimano EP8 motor and can be purchased with any of the three battery options. The handling is outsandingly good, and along with the 6-way adjustable geometry and MasterMind TCU display, its easily the most refined e-MTB weve tested. Just got a second hand one and keen to get it going but theres a lot of trial and error and a good base would help. Each frame size gets a 40mm stem and 800mm wide riser bars, which we promptly cut down to our preferred width of 780mm. Skinny bits, exposed sections, there wasn't anything I had to shy away from on the Sight including the most technical and janky local trails. Indeed with such an expanse between the grips and rear axle, and the battery effectively playing the role of a 5kg kettlebell, you need a lot of torque on the bars to lift up the front wheel. Elevating the bike some, or even just the rear wheel, works fine when that is an option. $150 firm $150 Negotiable drat, Sweet!! Was exactly what I was looking for in terms of long term review. Theres also no denying the outrageous traction, stability and control that this bike delivers, allowing you to monster-truck through technical terrain. Rules on first page. I've been better about that kind of strength in recent years so I'm rarely afflicted, unless I have yet to adjust to the weight of an e-bike. Had a similar problem with my Sight VLT last year.Turned out to be the wiring harness.Be aware that there are two separate harnesses in there as they changed the larger one without success,then changed the smaller one and I havent had a problem since.It was a Norco fault not Shimano.Hope this info helps. Moreover, wear the right clothing. At the beginning of one of the rides when these photos were taken, I noticed my rear derailleur housing was down to the wire where it crosses over to enter the swing arm, possibly because it had slipped out a cable guide. Do you think your riding abilities would be where they are right now if you didn't have an ebike? The charge port door is also awkward to grasp and open. Doing it upright works but there isn't enough room for the battery to slide all the way out without lifting the rear wheel. It's all fine if this discussion is had during the bike sale, but how many sales humans are going to say "the bike is great but the cable routing is a fucking disaster that'll cost you a load of grief and / or money."? Its for those reasons that the Santa Cruz Bullit and the latest Giant Reign E+ have adopted a mullet setup, and we expect other brands will jump on the bandwagon. That isquite heavy, even for an e-MTB. Each model features the Shimano EP8 motor and can be purchased with any of the three battery options. Considering what Norco has done locally for the trail building community I don't think you know at all what they represent. What does seem pretty clear though is that you don't like ebikes and have some pretty biased views of them and the people who ride them. We've been testing the 2020 Norco Sight VLT C1 29 for the past couple of months - read on for the full review to see what this electric mountain bike really is really capable of; http://flowmountainbike.com/tests/2020-norco-sight-vlt-c1-29er-review-ebike/Wondering how the Norco stacks up against the Merida eOne-Sixty we've also been testing? That's an interesting question Mark and my answer is a personal one. Batteries are encased inside the downtube for protection and are easily removed for charging on and off the bike or for easy swaps. Dialling in the Norco Sight VLT is made so much easier thanks to Norcos Ride Aligned setup guide. I'll dig into details and (hopefully) more nuanced impressions below, but overall I have really enjoyed riding this bike and I'm impressed by what Norco has accomplished in this sphere. The manual for the bike has instructions for a Bosch motor instead of the Shimano. Norco made a bold move by making the batteries modular and giving these bikes three capacity options; 540, 720, and 900 watt hours. Either more gradients or a percentage reading would help reduce range anxiety. The paint has stood up to a stupid amount of abuse, the bearings haven't made a peep, and the action remains smooth. Thanks for that, I demo rode a Commencal meta power 29, loved the steps system, the extra range I could get from the Sight VLT is appealing, anyone ran the range extender? Both the Fox Factory Float 36 and the Fox Factory Float X2 are world class dampers and an excellent match for this ride. JavaScript is disabled. The Specialized Levo Pro we reviewed comes in at almost double the price of the Norco Sight C2 VLT. The Sight VLT C1 offers 150mm of RockShox Deluxe Select + travel, and is equipped with an e-spec RockShox Lyric Select fork. I haven't ridden a trials moto, but tech climbing on an eMTB often feels to me the way trials looks; calculated bursts combined with accurate wheel placement and weight shifts for unexpected results. - Kosciusko-beating range from the 900Wh battery RockShox 35 Gold Fork. And these can be nasty falls into rock gardens, onto fallen logs with knots sticking out, or off something high. Unlike the previous generation VLT models, there's no external Range Extender available, but do the math and you'll see why not. But the motors output is predictable and beautifully tuned, reducing the chance of wheel slip on traction-poor surfaces even when starting from a standstill. I've been dealing with a weird and as-yet-undiagnosed health issue for some time that unpredictably impacts my cardio performance. So a nice element for me is knowing I can go for a ride, put in some miles and get a decent workout and do some downhill without being in the red zone and unable to move faster than a snail's pace. Does anyone know if the front and rear triangles are the same between the 2022 VLT bikes (Range, Sight, Fluid)? If someone needs to work harder they can drop down a mode and if someone is struggling they can stay in boost, and everyone gets their workout. Phew! The dual 29in wheels and enormous wheelbase means its a bit of a handful on really tight, slow and janky singletrack. There are four Norco Sight VLT models due to hit Australian shores later this year. Offering more than 66% range than the 540W battery ensures that you'll never experience range anxiety. Of course we cant talk about the state of the e-MTB market without mentioning the Specialized Levo. Here running a Rock Shox Superdeluxe Ultimate coil and no worries on bottoming out. Youll notice its heft anytime you have to lift it over a fallen log on the trail, or a gate, or into a workstand, or the back of your car. that issue was corrected with a shimano steps firmware correction. However, its worth pointing out that the rear centre length is identical on all four frame sizes. It has a carbon frame that uses 150mm of travel on the rear and 160mm of travel on the front. The four-bar suspension design flips the shock up to sit underneath the top tube, an angled piggyback reservoir maintaining bottle clearance. Trail I've been stoked on lately - Boogieman, Preferred Reach - 485-500mm (longer with 27.5 wheels than 29), Tags: That being said, the Norco Sight VLT wasnt as cumbersome as we initially anticipated. Has anyone had issues with the 630wh battery being a frame specific non shimano branded battery, any warranty issues? The 4-piston Shimano brakes are powerful and positive, with excellent heat management thanks to the 203mm rotors and metallic brake pads. JavaScript is disabled. First the bike has foreign balance, then its too heavy, too powerful, then its ugly, then it belies your assessment of what Norco is, then its destructive, dangerous, etc etc. I just picked up a 2022 Range C2 in large. The Sight VLT is designed with Norco's exclusive Ride Aligned Design System to create rider-first geometry and precision suspension kinematics. Or perhaps even a dropout flip-chip, with short and long settings, so that riders can choose between the two. As Andrew rightly pointed out, you did specify your angst with the Norco C1 in particular. It's not particularly high, but it's very exposed and blind and frankly, it scares me. The Trek Rail 9 features an alloy frame, though it up-specs to a RockShox ZEB, which is a brilliant fork. If the mid spec is ~22, I'd like to know what this one actually weighs. Compared to its predecessors, the new Sight VLT is a more capable bike on really rough and rowdy high-speed descents. Once I'd made the appropriate adjustments that is. How is the shock going comparing to the stock one? Digging through various drawers I eventually found a short length of surgical hose that came with some sealant. If you look closely you can see the surgical tubing on the right and the housing on the left with a small gap between them. Replacing the battery can be even trickier. I generally have bad days and okay days, with the occasional good day sprinkled in. Because the chainstays are so long, its basically impossible to loop out, even when charging uphill in full Boost mode. 2023 Cube Stereo Hybrid emtb with ABS - who asked for that. Norco Sight VLT A2 29 2021 is the most economical model, with a starting price of 4699 USD. Rivaling the Levo for integration. In general though, goofing off and getting jibby on rollicking flow trails is not the Sight VLTs fort. While the wheelsize and travel are unchanged, the Sight VLTs chassis is entirely new. Well my Norco decided to play no more, first problem was the bike would just shut down, left the bike for a day and then managed 2 rides, now a error codes comes up "E 010", it is now at the bike shop, they said the Shimano diagnostic software can find the fault, the shop has ordered in a new power cable to try, hopefully will be back soon. E-certified forks and robust 29" wheels with grippy tires and supportive sidewalls take on the rigors of electric Big Mountain and Enduro riding. You can really feel more power coming on when you increase your effort, while the Norco feels more linear. Can you weigh it for us? Weve not had any issues with the drivetrain itself, though the SRAM NX shifter continues to be an ergonomic annoyance with its bulky clamp. About the Norco Sight VLT C1 2022. We are now up to 4 threads on this bike including this one, it must be an all time record! I had pre-bent the housing to make the two turns and I put a curve in the hose as well. It simply allows riders to choose the best battery for their needs. Having a theoretical solution isn't the same as getting it done however and the surgery was just beginning. This is the new Focus Jam2 and Sam2. Shimano Deore Drivetrain. - The hefty weight The geometry is a little different though, with the Rail getting a much shorter 448mm rear centre length, and 20mm less reach on the size Large. Much of your bodyweight is naturally placed onto the front wheel, helping to drive it into the trail surface for consistent grip, even on sketchy flat turns. I've spent most of my time riding with the 900 and despite its extra girth, it's the one I'd choose because it opens up so many options. Norco's online documentation is excellent. FOX 36 is easily overwhelmed Heavy for a "trail" eMTB Long wheelbase is a handful in tight scenarios Considering how much hard work has been put into the gains mountain bikers have made in the last twenty years, by a small and incredibly dedicated group of individuals, vigilance is vital. Although I think 600 may be too much. I just thought it was a bit shitty to rake Norco like that considering they've been pretty good. I had similar routing problems on a 2018 Commencal Meta Power. Norco Sight VLT Details Three battery options including 900Wh Wheel size: 29" only Travel: 160mm front, 150mm rear 64-degree head angle 78-degree effective seat angle 462mm chainstay Weight: 25.6 kg Sizes: S, M, L, XL After a great deal of anticipation, the brand new Norco Sight VLT has finally arrived. The housing came to a hard stop and it I realized it was in the void of the battery compartment rather than in a tube for guidance. The bike shop has been great to deal with and are talking to Norco and Shimano here in Australia. The final internal element of the routing proved to be even trickier and I had to abandon the task for the moment. Equipped with the 900Wh battery, the Sight VLT has also outperformed every other e-MTB weve tested in terms of its range potential. Riding with a bunch of people whose fitness is varied, and being able to stay together, is like a party on wheels. Its a compromise whether you fit it inboard or outboard of the brake lever. The center of gravity feels foreign - coming from someone whom typically does emtb rides on a Levo.
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