Jesus wasnt blocked. As far as God is concerned, that settles the issue of healing, as its all done, 1 Peter 2:24. That, however, is not what Furtick said. Theres no Plan B, so we need to make sure the church follows Jesus lead. Thanks. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. But, and if any one, the closest would be, God did not heal Paul because, in His wisdom, had a purpose for Pauls suffering that resulted in greater glory for Himself than healing Paul could have accomplished. I really do appreciate this discussion. Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work. What IS the question? Brey, a staffer at the Shelby church, agreed to go. So He made man, and wo-man, to reflect who He was. Eternal security, tongues, Can we still fellowship without compromising our beliefs. He exists as one substance in three persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They did bad things, and no amount of awesomeness in the lives of their children can turn their crimes into blessings. I am sick on my stomach and disgusted by your interpretation or misinterpretation of Gods chosen disciple. His primary source of income is his career as a pastor and songwriter. Thanks. Appreciate that look up. Unfortunately, thats where it ends. The question is whether youre willing to reassess what you think about people like Furtick not in light of what I say, but in light of what God has said. Paul was certainly a special case, as dont forget what he did to the church, by such destructive degradation he perpetrated on it; and even Jesus made response to it; for I will show him how much he (Paul) must suffer for My names sake. Acts 9:16, and thus buffeting, because of revelations, was part and partial. God is a molecular structure that fills all in all. And he performed very few miracles there because of their lack of faith. In both it indicates that did not is part and partial to could not for it was the lack of their faith that caused this. As this comes back to the baby and bath water analogy. From Scripture, we know that Jesus is NOT the Father, and that Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit, and that the Holy Spirit is NOT the Father. A Baptist pastor. To suggest that God is not all-powerful goes against 3500 years of biblical witness, every bit of Judaic and Christian belief, and hundreds of verses of Scripture, both Old and New Testament. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The problem is that he persists in teaching them despite being told that its false. Here are a few other special cases that people try to plead: Its clear that you feel comfortable suggesting that the apostle Paul knew less about following Jesus than you do. Other translations, using thousands of additional ancient and biblical manuscripts, render it differently. You are right. Theyd rather follow their favorite teacher. Death and life is in the power of your tongue, not Gods. I also listened to Furticks full sermon on this subject yesterday. I cant turn my back on those who come to me for help and many are looking for answers who will never send me an email. Trust God. Part spiritual athlete, part rock star preacher, Furtick is the talk these days in Charlotte religious circles. Its not unreasonable. God is love, but we are not. Because faith works by love, Galatians 5:6, and must continue in this love, if our faith is to work John 15:9. Salvation IS a huge deal but if our only concern was salvation, we wouldnt need most of the New Testament. In other words, God mostly withheld His power from the stiff-necked people who held Jesus in contempt. Yet that is not true, for the word is clear; John 12:47 And if anyone hears My words and does notbelieve,I do not judge him; forI did not come to judge the world but to save the world. Were called to watch our lives and doctrine closely right? 2) Healing is only accomplished through faith. Youre right when you say Im not more important than you are. James says something curious. Dont pretend that you know my heart, either. In Furticks own words, the power of God was trapped in their unbelief. THAT is his point, as the rest of his quote shows. On that recent Sunday morning at Providence High, Furtick got applause when he said Elevation had baptized 629 the weekend before. We dont hold the magic key that opens the door for Him to work. I have had an on again, off again relationship with my faith throughout the years. Judge not yet you be judged. Theres no question that all three persons are God. Im very comfortable with that. I always wonder what they do with the verses about Jesusbaptism where all three members of the Trinity are present at one time. I can certainly use the discussion to teach people how to handle Scripture properly, how the teachings of the Word of Faith movement come directly from New Thought, and how they distort the biblical record about God and man. So I agree and hope God reveals the truth to him. That does NOT mean that its okay to add to, or to take away from, ANY passage of Scripture. Jesus obediently passed on to us the things that the Father told Him to say. He saves us. I also was attached to Furtick and his teachings not too long ago but thank God for a biblical counselor who called him out and really challenged me to listen to what he is saying. I hope you wont be discouraged by what Ive written, and I hope youll accept the challenge to dig into Gods Word to see the truth for yourself. That said, Christianity is far, far more than just being saved. I wonder: why do you think that almost all of the books in the New Testament warn Christians to watch out for false teachers? 9:23,24. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. Joyce Meyer, greatest Bible teacher alive today . Even overseers are to be above reproach (1 Timothy 3), and Furtick is a teacher he is held to a higher standard by God, and we should recognize that fact. I hope youll take all of this in the spirit in which it was written: from one brother to another, with respect, and even a little fun. I would have to say, however, that the first quote hardly contributes to a little gods doctrine such as taught by Mr. Copeland, Mr Hinn, Mrs Meyers, etc. Modalism has been considered heretical by the entire Body of Christ for almost 2000 years, so its not as if its a new idea. He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. Heres an example: Furtick has taught modalism. Thank you for Narcigesis! He has aided the multi-site Elevation Church into a global ministry through online streaming, television as well as the music of Elevation Worship. . But its the speeking that gets him every time. What makes the most sense of these verses, in context? Furtick follows in the footsteps of false teachers like Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, and Joyce Meyer by claiming that we are just like God, or just like Jesus. Thanks for writing. Think Furtick problem maybe just being ignorant of the word, proud. Anyone who disagrees with what Furtick teaches must a) be envious, b) ignorant of how God has blessed his church, and c) a deceiver. Thanks. In other words, Furtick didnt reiterate Matthew 13:58. Thats not legal. Right, good choice, as those scripture about false teachers is true and not to be ignored, but we were speaking of a certain scripture and its interpretation, yet you bring it into the realm of being part and partial to a false teacher. Ive been wondering why people say hes a false teacher. Both, in this case, misuse Scripture and claim that it says something that it does not say. Winds NNW at 10 to 15 mph. Tony, When we elevate people who lead others astray whether accidentally or by false teaching we risk the lives of our friends and family, both now and into eternity. Partly cloudy. You need fellowship with real Christians, and they need fellowship with you. He started in Lenox, MA and fled the area (for legal reasons) and continued to move around the country ultimately settling again in Baltimore, MD. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God has already made decisions about what will happen, as when someone dies after a lifetime of rebellion. My spirit is bothered when I hear him, thankfully. How did God respond? Jakes, who teaches the heresy of modalism (see below). Feel free to continue disagreeing, if you dont see what I see. As Paul taught the Romans (Ch. With respect, I dont really care if you feel things are unequal between me and those who comment on my website. Our faith is important, but it does not limit what God CAN do. I have felt conviction over singing their music because it supports their ministry, which clearly teaches some wrong theology. Dont trust yourself. Didnt He guide them into all truth, as you say He guides you? Not saying this is same problem furtick has, but Donald, we can also be incorrect at times while presenting the Gospel, as you have done writing Ephesians 2:8 in reverse. I dont want to write about false teachers, my friend. The only relevant question is whether Steven Furtick responsibly teaches what Jesus taught. Its based on the dominion idea that Adam inadvertently gave dominion to Satan in the Garden of Eden, and that God had to create a scheme to trick Satan and get dominion back. Dont trust me. Unfortunately, its in stark contrast to Scripture. Seven-Mile Miracle: Journey into the Presence of God Through the Last Words of Jesus. Admittedly, this is absolutely a rabbit trail but I am enjoying your feedback so I will press on. Do you agree with Furtick that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all? When Paul wrote that he was glad that the gospel was being preached, he pointed to the fact that the gospel was being preached for personal gain. It confirmed everything that I have seen and heard from Steven Furtick. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Churchs helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. This is also why Jesus said; According to your faith be it unto you. The verse reads your held accountable not your better and not the same we are all the Same under Gods eyes you need to address this I challenge you to show your accusations of this man I want to see proof not your own understanding because you are incorrect what the verse says that you are standing on.. and Ill pray your convicted to see the right over the wrong . Both of us having what I would describe as a crisis of faith. Your comment is interesting. This makes the morality of God relative to each situation, rather than a universal truth. It is unacceptable to me as a pastor that we would stop growing when the Lord wants to add to our number daily those who are being saved, Furtick wrote in an Outreach magazine column in 2012. Not because He could not, but because He wouldnt do it under those circumstances. We will see how full of sinful judgemental, misguided jealousy you are. Can you explain why? "I love my life," he said. All things are in general possible to God (Matthew 19:26), but then it is to him that believes as to the particulars, Mk. Ive removed the link you provided, in case any would be tempted to go and listen to him. Those things might include speaking in a foreign tongue, or healing, or something as simple as gaining insight into how to explain the gospel to someone. He asked seven couples to go with him and his wife, sell their homes, and move to a yet unknown city, with no promise of pay. Praise God! Multnomah Books. If Furtick is right, then the Law was ignored in favor of love and so Jesus did not take our place. If you knew that he was teaching falsely, I dont believe you would repeat his errors, because you know that what we believe about God really matters. Of course, I dont really watch very many of his sermons so it would be easy to miss if he did. I cited the part I agreed with. This is how it works, as right, it is this same power that we all have today (Hebrews 13:8) to obey the command of Mark 16:15-20. By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. Thanks. >> It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. Thats undeniably false. Started as a worship music team leader at Christ Covenant, a Baptist church in Shelby. There is ONE Spirit, ONE Lord, ONE God and FATHER of all who is above all and through all and in you all So yes, the Spirit in us IS the Father , and He IS the Son, ie the Word of God made flesh. Does that make you less likely to listen to Paul? Can you please provide the date of the sermon you reference (or better yet, a link as most Furtick sermons are available online). If Jesus (the Son) is only the form that God took to carry out functions for man, why did the Son exist before man did? From Phineas Quimby to EW Kenyon to Kenneth Hagin to Furtick, Word of Faith teachers claim that God is limited in what He CAN do, that WE are the ones who can unlock His power and allow Him to act as Hed LIKE to act, and that its our MINDSET that keeps us from reaping the amazing benefits of being born again. I do not do this lightly, but it is necessary. The problem isnt that he said something that isnt true. Hello, I am in my mid thirties and trying to rebuild my faith. Sure, it is noted he was not appreciated in his home turf, but bottom line, Jesus himself marvelled at their unbelief, which is another way of saying, lack of faith, which has a lot to do with receiving things from God, even salvation as, he gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12. First: what does this passage actually SAY? Last year, Furtick made headlines when his church doled out $40,000 to members, in envelopes filled with $5, $20, even $1,000, and told them to spend it kindly on others. The trouble comes, of course, when we pretend that our insertion is the truth. At a recent service, Elevation staffers distributed black rubbery rings to remind the wearers to invite friends. Some are saved through Steven Furticks ministry but not solely because of what he teaches. Well said, salvation is the most important possession someone owns. Let me go a step farther and BEG YOU to take the Bible more seriously, and to compare what Ive written, what youve written, and what Steven Furtick says with Gods Word. Seriously. The false teaching is the one that contradicts Gods own words when HE said that He is the only God, and when as the Son, He said that He (the Son/Word) and the Father are ONE (heis : one in ESSENCE) I dont know enough about Furtick to know whether he is preaching/teaching the heresy re what you speak creates your reality (a synergistic new age teaching brought into the church by quite a few false teachers of the NAR crowd who are spreading that teaching and building churches all over the US and probably around the world the Declaration statement may indicate this is in his mind if not his teaching but we can only know what he speaks out of his mouth directly) but Modalism is not false. However: if Furtick is right, who are we showing Gods nature to? It really only takes a couple of minutes online to find false teaching from the multitude of false teachers if people would just take the time. This ministry doesnt need a building to do Gods work, San Diego Catholic diocese ponders bankruptcy with sex-abuse lawsuits pending, Church of England considers whether to stop referring to God as he, Pope puts pressure on politicians, urges peace on 6-day Africa trip. If the gospel matters, then teaching it as it was handed down matters. This is false and ridiculous. Elevation Church was founded by Furtick in 2006 with just fourteen members. For example, in that same passage of Scripture, one might read into the passage the idea that Jesus may have been angry at His old neighbors and at His family. Then in John 1:12 this power is received by faith, then in Ephesians 3:7 this gift of grace is through working of his power. And like Graham, Furtick keeps count of how many people under his ministry have begun to follow Jesus. Indicative mood: a simple statement of fact an indication, not a prediction or supposition. Thank you for your kind words. Furtick clearly and indisputably taught that Jesus COULD NOT. Furtick and his wife built a home on 19 acres of land in Waxhaw, North Carolina, a suburb of Charlotte in 2013. Jeremiah, in, I am the Lord, the God of all mankind. Who knows? Real-time updates and all local stories you want right in the palm of your hand. Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions. Yet not as I will, but as you will. Christians are to be Torah-observant, except for sacrificing animals. Im not attacking Furtick. And if you have so go into such length to disprove a blessed church you are the deceiver please reach out to me on this matter and lets pray on it ..In Jesus name I ask or be held accountable . We know that salvation is translated from the Greek word; Sozo which includes healing. Theres no limit to what God CAN do, but there are limits to what He WILL do. All I had to do was write, and suddenly it became very apparent that a lot of folks are looking for answers. This heresy has always been condemned because it contradicts Scripture. Trinity is somewhat difficult to understand. Thats why I work hard to use Scripture and a false teachers own words, rather than just post my opinions about them. Weekly motivation delivered right to your inbox. Galatians 3:13 says, Christ has (past tense) redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. The curse includes every sickness and every disease (Deuteronomy 28:15-68). I dont know that anyone has everything right, yet the gospel IS preached again and again. For that, Im glad. This is an incredibly common practice, and it should not be. Are you trying to defend Furtick against the claim that hes a false teacher? If they are saved, we should pray that God will lead them to teach only the truth. So: while we cant understand the trinity, we CAN explain what the Bible says about God. That doesnt undo or excuse false teaching, of course. When I spoke of the Great Commission, he was confused. We who teach and I include myself are not in the same group as those who listen. But hes sloppy in his enthusiasm. 5 Women pastors in the church have been debated for many years. You shared, we see that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not the same as each other. Thats not who I am. It is fascinating to watch in slow motion and magnified. When people teach things that contradict Scripture, thats bad right? Yes, breaking the law was a big deal and He did not break the law for love, but rather fulfilled the law to show love, to us who have. Here are 10 facts about him. He gained popularity in 2006 when his church gave $40,000 to members in envelopes with $5, $20, and even $1,000, telling them to spend it kindly on others. 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