* more rounds (20-30% accuracy by FBI measures) One thing I see a lot of people point to as proof that the 9mm is nearly identical to the .45 ACP in performance is the FBI testing protocol. He didn't even have a BRUISE where the 45cal bullet hit him!! Walk away According to one major online ammo retailer, in 2013 the 9mm accounted for 21.4 percent of all ammunition sales, beating out 223/5.56 by nearly six percent. For me the question isn't which caliber is "better" but which caliber a firearm owner prefers based on any number of factors. I have a 10mm I use with handloads for pig hunting. Most ATTACKERS will not realize the difference of being Hit with either bullet!! It's both in physical and mental ability. I am looking at building a 9mm in AR platform and would be interesting to see the difference between a 5, 7.5, 8.5, and 10.5 barrel length to see if there in much increase in the velocity. Great article but I would personally reconsider the Youre welcome, Europe. poster, considering that most Brits could argue that we managed a total of four years of your fighting for you (but certainly not intending to denigrate the US contribution, or to get into the Roosevelt v Congress debate) so this could appear a little insensitive. I'm going with the 45 because I'm also getting a Henry lever action rifle to match it. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Thing is, no shoe fits everyone, no caliber fits everyone, I carry a fn fnx 45 tactical every day so capacity is irrelevant I carry 32 rounds of 45 the weight doesn't bother me I can control the recoil well enough follow up shots are quick and on target with a 4-6 inch group speed shooting so I'm staying with my 45 I don't belive the 9mm is less of a bullet i just like the size diffence and the look of a big bore firearm is all i love shooting a 9mm and will definitely buy multiple but for carry 45 and if I need more penetration than get a 10mm which is op compared to 9mm and 45. Hi John, I enjoyed your comments. It's compact yet carries 14+1 stock mag or 19+1 extended mag. I have 9mm carry weapons, but I'm thinking of doing the home defense thing the way you described! Unfortunately for LEOs, the kind of training that can effectively simulate actual firefights is limited to our special forces folks, as most PDs dont have the budget or manpower to train well for actual gunfights. The G21 is for home defense. I own both calibers with two semi autos chambered for each. Firing 12 rounds my 9 mm wouldn't penetrate it or do catastrophic damage to it. Obviously we are talking relative speeds between bullets, not relative speeds between a car and a bullet. I own both. Hollowpoint should (mostly) negate over penetration. I fired four magazines on patrol engagements and was credited by MI at debriefs with seven confirmed. with two shots in the heart from a 40 S&W. Fortunate enough to equip your firearm with a suppressor? You paint with a really broad brush, and worse yet you are wrong. While it cannot be argued that Americans did not single-handedly win the war or that we contributed the most warfighters or took the most losses, it is also safe to say that without American intervention it is entirely probable that the UK would have fallen and the USSR would not have been able to push the Germans back. Glock 43 9mm is my every day carry, IWB. Underwood ammo shows muzzle energy of 600-725 range for the 10mm and 1074-1125+ for 41. Your statement is factually in error. Like clipped on the front of your backpack harness or belt, in a manner where it can quickly be retrieved and used. 1300+ FPS in my Glock 30. Physics boss: 9mm has more penetration and energy. Correct, I have not shot many people. Case: Brass. Owning at least 1 9mm seems practical though, as availability of ammo is likely even in a SHTF situation. Been a G19 fanboy a long time, just got my first 1911 and It feels way better in my hand. But to a victim or an attacker, what happens when an intruder gets hit by birdshot may be a lot different to 00. Edit : You can get a firearms licence in this country but you have to be a farmer or pheasant shooter with an impeccable criminal history and with verified references and personality tests. Two ProPac set-ups on the buttstock & forestock allow for two 9RD & two 20RD extra mags onboard. I live in less free country, I still can carry my pistol, but EU wants to limit my magazines (blah blah blah). Although higher velocity projectiles always generate more kinetic energy they clearly do not produce deeper penetration, and when the velocities reach the levels common to today's magnums, the increases in velocity result in significantly reduced penetration. "Subsonic for a bullet is slow"Again, your limited knowledge is apparent here. The 9mm has to have much higher velocity to have the same momentum as a 45. This is criminal. The 25 loads tested characterize a spectrum of what is available today at retail and have representative samples from the least expensive range ammo to the most advanced self-defense loads made for the 9mm round. The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge holds bullets that have a diameter of .452 inches (11.5mm) so it is slightly larger than the 9mm (.355 inch bullets). Since defensive rounds aren't an option, you'll want the highest grain bullet you can get, in a soft point wadcutterwhich I don't think are even available in 9mm or .45 ACP. Heavier projectiles shed their kinetic energy more quickly than heavier projectiles. I think the bigger recoil mitigating effect from the Banshee will be due to the mechanically delayed blowback. I have tested multiple barrels and loads and found that a 1/4 inch usually equates to 25 to 35 fps. It's quiet and very handy if you plan on silencing a weapon. of energy at the muzzle. No need to buy specialized rounds. In certain situations, such as home defense in the middle of the night, the slightly higher capacity of the 9mm handgun may make it a preferred weapon. Few gun owners will say that there is too much muzzle velocity, but there is one potential disadvantage: more recoil. Put several makes and models in your hand. "the 9mm has evolved to the current power of the 45 acp" as if there have been no developments in the 45 acp and the 45 acp has stood still. The penetration myth is a myth. Well, lets take a look at these two rounds and pit them against one another. In the case of average muzzle energy for a given caliber, that would be the 9x19mm. They resent that Europeans don't know or understand America or Americans, yet Europeans seem to have this superior attitude anyway. I carry a Shield or a Glock 26. Plan. Now this is just me you pointed out several factors for both weapons and I agree it's to ones mind set on which weapon feels right in your hand. You are welcome to your opinions, but the facts are indisputable. I want harm for nobody, and especially me and mine, too. 45 acp, with a father like the one we had, The link is entitled to be wrong lol, the capacity of 9mm the distance and all is great . 250 plus opinions here and counting but for once I'd say they're not like A holeseveryone has one yet none stink. If you are going to go through all the trouble to defend yourself and/ or others you might as well knock the bad guy(s) down - and take their soul at the same time. Nobody is saying 45ACP cannot kill a man. Well written article. The 9mm was developed by Georg Luger in 1901, who based it upon his earlier 7.6521mm Parabellum. Thanks for the article, and for the mature comments. A .45 is a solid push in you hand. A 9mm rounds ballistics depend upon which of the three common bullet weights its equipped with: Bear in mind that these numbers vary by manufacturer. Thats what I carry now.Always will.When that loud bitch goes off it gets everyones attention..especially the turd youre trying to ghost. The .45 is a good caliber, and I have one or two of them. For mid-sized pistols I like .40 S&W which tends to cut the difference in capacity, ammunition cost, projectile mass, and muzzle velocity between 9mm and .45 pretty nicely. I am. The real reason why the FBI switched from 40 to 9mm is the same reason they switched for 10mm to 40, most cant handle the recoil and they dont pass the required score in the firing tests, same for civilians they cant handle the recoil, they groups are horrible then blame the caliber instead stop eating bacon and improve they fitness condition. As for when you spray, I'll leave that for others with more experience. The 9mm also has a higher muzzle velocity than the .45 ACP because of its lighter bullets. Wrong, you change the angle. With handguns, its all about holes: how many, how big, how deep, and where hit. .45 is for nostalgia crazed red necks that can't let go of the past. I think the recoil of 45 is way overblown. It allows more ammo and is faster than the 45. One of the main reasons why military personnel and many LEOs made the switch to 9mm handguns was because of the deeper bullet penetration. A myth that TV and movies have given the world is that American warfighters won WWII, but really the amount of American blood contributed to the war effort was comparably insignificant -- especially compared to the Soviets. The Ruger LC380 is her favorite. If we had no guns, we would still be part of the UK (and I for one think the world would be worse off for it). This debate of 9 versus 45 just comes down to personal choice with today's ammo. In this study, .44 Magnum failed to penetrate 13% of the time tied with 9mm and .40 S&W (and within the margin of error of .45 ACP). like when they took away the man stopping .308 caliber M-14 and gave them a stinking .223 varmint round to fight a war with in Vietnam." Muscle memory combined with good ole fashion "practice makes perfect" will allow you to drop a man in one shot and it won't matter what you grab in the night! However, I am getting an M&P9 2.0 for my daily carry. I shoot 240 consistently with my 40 and would never carry a 9 unless I had to. I feel like this is the answer and I plan on purchasing one soon for myself and my wife. A 230 grain .452" diameter projectile traveling at 835 fps has a Taylor KO of 12 while a 124 grain .355" diameter projectile traveling at 1150 fps has a Taylor KO of 7. Thanks. This cookie is used to keep track on user informations and reports it to Alexa analytics service. If not then 9mm is an amazing option now. A 147 grain non plus P might start dropping or least stop acceleration at less than 16 inches. If I am passing through Welfareville and Methport on my way to the Promised Land, My TP 9 with 5 extra loaded 17 round magazines of 115 grain JHP will be with me. Thus, it is deadlier. I was one of those folks in the military in the 80's that had a 45 side-arm, so used to it. (Remember the linebacker.) Unlike in a home defense situation, the ability to shoot through a wall, automobile, or various other objects in a combat scenario can be the difference between life and death. 130 gr VS 230 gr HPs at 1000 fps. You DO have to have the spray handy though. Interesting discussion thanks for the insight and thoughts. The only drawback is that it is not super concealable for every day, but I havent looked into a shoulder holster. 230gr X 800fps = 184000 or PF of 184. Thats the amount of energy even cautious self-defense experts consider adequate for self-defense. Actually, we ALL have a soul, but only TRUE Christians (born again believers) have a spirit. 300 thousands of an inch diameter more than a 9mm HST.. my 1911 short trigger pull is fast. My .380 S&W Bodyguard is so small, I'm considering getting a slightly larger .380 with a longer barrel for backup. my_old_glock Registered Additionally, the length of the barrel used in testing can have a major impact in the results. Fat & slow or snappy & whimpy Not much of a choice. But I have a lot to learn in this area as well. However, if trained professionals only have 20-30% accuracy, it's not unreasonable to think that many of us would only have 15-20% accuracy in a self defense scenario. I like the best solution: buy at least one of each. And Federal claims that their new Hydra-shok Deep in .380 consistently meets FBI standards for penetration, expansion, and weight retention. towards your level. Without the hydrostatic shock of a rifle round, wouldn't more organ and tissue damage be most important? I was a die hard .45 fan but when I got the concealed license, it just wasn't comfortable to carry. I have done a lot of chronograph work with different barrel lengths . At a 30% hit rate during actual combat (due to adrenaline and urgency of quickness) add in a fall rate like no other (45) and it drops to 20%. I like the expansion of the Ranger series so I will stay with 45. The same principle applies to bullets. My defense weapon is the 45 at this time. 9mm, 40, or 45acp Can't make my mind up and like them all. They are extremely different. In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. The consistent data is wonderful, but it made for a rather boring graph when it was all said and done. Back in the day, there was a revolver chambered in .600 Nitro Express. just saying. If YOU Do!! Correct. The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. the CarryGun's G2 bullet weighs 135 grains so that it will reach optimal velocity out . Excellent well researched response. Any cal will work depending on shot placement. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. 45 loses in every category except possibly suppression and shallow penetration, if you want to call that a pro. If youre shooting a hollow point at a soft target, the extra ~100 feet per second from a carbine will give you a slightly different wound channel than firing the same ammo from a shorter-barreled pistol. You may need that Democrat at your side while fighting off the Russians, Chinese, or other foreign enemies. Bullets which strike the human body, yet do not hit the Central Nervous System rely upon blood loss to drop blood pressure and cause incapacitation. 100% agree. Good stopping power and less likely to penetrate walls and hit a bystander. If the bullet is traveling slowly, it will generally drop sooner, like the tossed ball; if it is hurled with speed, like the fastball, it will maintain a straight trajectory. My primary indoor home defense weapons are only a .40 Smith & Wesson carbine and pistols chambered in .45 Auto and .40 Smith & Wesson. Ultimately, both calibers are great to have. Try firing one off indoors in the dark with no ear protection. 9mm rarely reaches major (165PF) unless specially loaded and unsafe if you ask me. The HST .45 ACP does it with its massive permanent wound cavity (for a handgun). I'm still on the fence about it though. Which is why spec ops and the FBI still have 45 acp in their arsenals. The __gads cookie, set by Google, is stored under DoubleClick domain and tracks the number of times users see an advert, measures the success of the campaign and calculates its revenue. It is up to you to determine the compatibility of any ammo with your particular pistols. Both 9mm and .45 ACP workjust personal preference, imo. Since most self defense situations are at close range and I mean really close range there is no need for lots of bullets. The password should contain at least 8 characters with at least one number or special character. I then fired the same round into the post at an angle from an HK-94 (16 barrel). Knock down power is quantifiable by the Taylor Knock Down Index. You might be wondering which caliberis better for youthe 9mm or the .45 ACP. IMHO (other than good social time discussions about guns and fishing tackle) forget the caliber wars. Youtube, ABOUT US You can hit him multiple times and he can keep coming at you. Obviously, the increased velocity will impact terminal ballistic performance. Till yesterday I carried .22LR. To add to this argument, I read a recommendation which said that in a civilian SHTF encounter, that five rounds would be enough to cover such an encounter based on research which had been carried out on previous encounters where the number of shots fired had been recorded, so purchasing a firearm with seven rounds would be considered more than enough (IN MOST CASES). practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol as far as pretty, get the desert camo and I had money left over for ammo. Pansies . Yes! . The common reasoning that having more than enough, or having the most you can carry because you can 'never have enough', well, it's not something anyone can make others believe one way or the other. He paused, held up his pinkie, and said, "And if you hit a man right here," (raising said pinkie), "he's going down." My highest capacity 45 is my home defense weapon. The damage is the same and no 2 wound channels end up being the same on 45 or 9mm. A different pocket holster might cure this, but so would a larger gun, with the benefit of longer barrel. The Carbine has a TriDelta muzzle brake designed to stop any rise & to thrust away 2/3rds of the recoil. Muzzle velocity is the speed of the bullet as once it leaves the barrel. I've finally finished up college and paid off my loans, and I'm ready to get back to the range at least weekly to improve my accuracy now that my budget allows. I consistently place the 45 rounds in an 8" area. Contrary to world-wide teaching, not one of us was born (or created) in the "image and likeness of God." Bottom line though all are great weapons. I know better than that. If you need your first shot to count more than anything, then why aren't you carrying a .357 magnum? ps I have always thought, why do "they" argue the 9mm hollowpoints advanced and are the same performance as 45 now. It comes from the shooter. At one time the 10mm was in consideration for the FBI. Go ahead, cite your experience. I totally spilt the difference and went with Beretta 96 chambered in .40 S&W. The important things here are Bullet Type, and bullet placement. I had one patient shot 11 times with what looked like a .380 or 9mm, hard to tell on xray. 1) by making bigger holes and 2) by making more holes. One or two will stand out. When I went to Ballistics101.com a few years ago, I got all the data from the rounds they're tracking and averaged them out per caliber in terms of energy. I try to get soft and hollow point ammo for both but it is far more expensive for 7.62 x 51. The 9mm Ruger EC9s fits in a hip pocket, weighs just 17.2 ounces, holds 7+1 rounds, costs less than $300, and is surprisingly comfortable to shoot. First; opinions are like, well you know, the hole on your back side. In my under experienced mind, you don't take 4 .45 rounds to the upper body and suffer life threatening injuries.you just plain and simply die. I am still open to 9mm thats why I was considering the sig but I do love the style and extra safety features of the kimber. This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. Im from South America and police there uses 9mm round nose, enough to kill more outlaws in 1 month that all the US police in 5 years. Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does holdone distinct advantage over the 9mmshallower penetration. Totally agree the new technology of the self defense bullets puts the 9mm in the same class as the 45acp, but I still prefer the 45acp but I carry the 9. If you look up the Buckeye Firearms Association article comparing calibers, 9mm fails to incapacitate 13% of the time while .45 ACP fails to incapacitate 14%. My personal preference for a home defense handgun is a full-sized pistol chambered in .45 ACP. Whats right for me is probably a double stack micro 380 (10+ rounds) and a 1.5 stack sub compact 40 S&W (10+ rounds), but they havent invented good enough ones yet so.. As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isnt as big of a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. So, why should we expect that the USA is any different ? But, to add to your argument, I read about an encounter a couple of years back where a large man broke into a house and tried to attack the lady of the house and her child. I don't believe that MEN can Kill the SOUL.It's GOD BREATHED Genesis 2:7. and since the "SOUL" is "GOD-BREATHED", then The SOUL is "IMMORTAL".! So the only real advantage 45 has is being inherently subsonic. the 45 wins hands down over the 9mm. The day after the craziness was all over and the police had finished up and gone, the body was gone and everyone was kinda trying to figure out what to do next, the homeowner took stock of the surroundings in the room where he had shot the intruder. Bear in mind that these numbers vary by manufacturer. My test pistols came in the uniform shape of a Glock 43 (3.39), Glock 19 (4), and Glock 34 (5.3). We really have the best there can be in terms of equipment so learning to employ them is the big issue other than defense against democrats. Well, this might rock your world but I recommend getting one of each assuming you have the money. Its not the same underpowered round that the FBI abandoned in the early 1980s. I would take the 1911 but some folks freak when they open carry. Some has been published here and I am working on other barrel length projects. Bull!! This depends what you mean by "outperforms the 9mm". I solved the argument of the 9mm vs the 45acp I have a 10mm and it's the best of both worlds, I am a Competition shooter I have shock sigsauer 9 mm Very unimpressed first of all Sigg Sire that I have the frame is bent Best advice ever. Equipped with a suppressor, they make ideal home defense weapons and they are less likely to over-penetrate. We already have an account registered for email address Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. shoot it with a hot 45acp and it will tear a huge ragged hole and dang near clothsline out the hanging rope. Loads and bullet design are next factored into specific use, it is the icing on the cake to select a velocity to maximize that use. Not an expert on older 45 sub guns, but I assume they are all straight blowback. I realize these instances are rare but one things for sure i can cut a target in half with rapid shots so easily with a 1022 because of zero recoil i think i could shoot 4 rounds to 1 outta my 45. For example, going from a 4" barrel to 7" (a 3 inch difference), every load got well over a 100 fps increase in velocity. At 3-8 yards distance, which is the most likely scenario I would find myself in need to draw, if God forbid the situation arises, aiming would be instinctive and firing would be done with one hand. Karl, youre embarrassing yourself with this vendetta. The angle was about 45 degrees because I feared complete penetration if fired 90 degrees. What the USA needs is a firearms amnesty where everybody just gives their guns back to be melted. In the real world a single hit with a .45 will stop him. My choice, since my first 1911A back in 1953, to my Glocks G21SF, G30, and G36 of today. For me, it's an SR1911, an old 4x4 Toyota with a stick, and a Pedulla my choices on all 3 are exactly the same i thought that was oddly coincidental since all 3 are not the most common choices. In addition to this, the lower recoil, less wear, cheaper ammunition and higher capacity were all reasons that the report cited for the recent surge in orders of the ammunition from various police agencies. The 9mm generally comes in loads of between 88-147 grain. I found all-steel frames a tad heavy for pocket carry, even in compact size. 9mm defensive brings it on par with 45acp and 40s&w ball - and that is what it needed to meet for it to outperform them since you also get the gains of capacity, less recoil, cheaper, and easier to train with. Let your fellow shooters know share this article using the Facebook, Twitter and other social media icons below. Hi Matthew. I literally just bought one of these. 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